if you don't have an opinion on this topic then you may be a bit behind the times.
Ahh short simple and sweet I will keep this one short for your viewing pleasure.
topic :abortions. reasons: its just debatable.
for anyone who knows me uber well there are probably only two topics which i get more heated over then this one. Cloning and cancer, although ones more a disease then a topic but thats beside the point.
Abortions, the sickly deathly process of killing an unborn fetus, embyro or zygote, in anyone of the three trimesters of development. Really what is there to gain by killing an unborn human?? A human has a right to live, and who the hell are you to kill off that person, to deny them the right that you have every morning when you get out of bed!!! Really the fact of the matter is to kill off a baby is a sick twisted thing to do. I can see no situation, not a one where an abortion is a justified solution. Not even when a girl gets raped and then becomes pregnant could I see abortion as justified. in that case why not just give the baby up for adoption?? there are plenty of parents out there who can't have a child who would take one and then perfectly cabable children whom we have no idea what they may have done are killed off... its a sick world and this process only makes it sicker!!!
This is not based only off my religion that i say this, it also comes from respect for my fellow man(and woman). to me its no different then murder. cold hearted murder.
topic :abortions. reasons: its just debatable.
for anyone who knows me uber well there are probably only two topics which i get more heated over then this one. Cloning and cancer, although ones more a disease then a topic but thats beside the point.
Abortions, the sickly deathly process of killing an unborn fetus, embyro or zygote, in anyone of the three trimesters of development. Really what is there to gain by killing an unborn human?? A human has a right to live, and who the hell are you to kill off that person, to deny them the right that you have every morning when you get out of bed!!! Really the fact of the matter is to kill off a baby is a sick twisted thing to do. I can see no situation, not a one where an abortion is a justified solution. Not even when a girl gets raped and then becomes pregnant could I see abortion as justified. in that case why not just give the baby up for adoption?? there are plenty of parents out there who can't have a child who would take one and then perfectly cabable children whom we have no idea what they may have done are killed off... its a sick world and this process only makes it sicker!!!
This is not based only off my religion that i say this, it also comes from respect for my fellow man(and woman). to me its no different then murder. cold hearted murder.
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I think it should be the women's choice. Who is to say what a women should do with HER unborn fetus? It is her choice and nobody elses and the government or anyone else for that matter should have no say in what desiscion she makes.
-Kris
Ok I am breaking this down line for line.
"Really what is there to gain by killing an unborn human??"
There is a lot to gain by having the abortion and a lot to lose by not having it. By not having it, the person's life can basically be ruined.
"A human has a right to live, and who the hell are you to kill off that person"
Who are you to deny them the choice of what to do with their unborn feuts?
"to deny them the right that you have every morning when you get out of bed!!!"
And you are trying to deny them the right to make a choice.
"Really the fact of the matter is to kill off a baby is a sick twisted thing to do."
You just went from calling it a zygote to a baby. I think a cluster of cells (zygote) would be the more proper term (unless it is further advacned and then there is a diff. term which I forget) and I don't think I would feel a lot of guilt from killing a cluster of cells. Of course I will never have to make the decision, but that is what it should be, a decision.
"I can see no situation, not a one where an abortion is a justified solution."
Rape? Other situations could be the child is born to some poor teenagers and the child will have an extremely horrible life to live.
"Not even when a girl gets raped and then becomes pregnant could I see abortion as justified."
That is insane.
"in that case why not just give the baby up for adoption??"
Not all adoption agencies will want the baby and they are not exactly the most friendly places ever.
"there are plenty of parents out there who can't have a child who would take one and then perfectly cabable children whom we have no idea what they may have done are killed off..."
That is irrelavent in my opinion
"its a sick world and this process only makes it sicker!!!"
I guess there is more than one way to look at it...
"This is not based only off my religion that i say this, it also comes from respect for my fellow man(and woman). to me its no different then murder. cold hearted murder."
Like I said, that is an opinion.
-Kris
For all you christian fanatics check out this site http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_biblh.htm
Dont forget the old testament is part of the bible too. Tho you christians get most of your brainwashing <---(note my opinion since you people state yours) from the new testament.
true this opinion may be debatable but honestly there is no reason to kill. killing is the ultimate evil. it just doesn't make sense how the joyful process of birth could come into such an evil path as murder.
and i just want to say being alive and living a poor life is better then not being alive and living no life.
but yes this is just my opinion so really it will remain just an opinion.
well this is a difficult topic. I personally am a democrat so most ppl would think i am pro-choice. but I am also a catholic so u could say I'm pro-life. I personally feel that it is a womans right to have an abortion but also it is an obvious fact that killing an unborn fetus IS murder. you are KILLING someone, not matter how small they are. I'm torn between pro-life and pro-choice but if i had to choose I would be pro-life just because I do have views much like hippies. (anti-war/anti-violence)
umm... i agree with kris entirely. And I STRONGLY think that if it was a case of rape, the woman/girl should be allowed to make the choice. Have them live a good life if they are going to live. the only way i can put this without offending ppl i think... is to say it short and sweet. I believe in abortion especially in certain cases. I don't want this to make me less of a person in everyone's eyes.
how does a guy have such a strong opinion on abortion when he isn't the one gettin pregnant?
me
i agree entirely with jeffrey, abortion is simply murder there is no way around that. if a woman is so determined not to have a child then maybe they should not get pregnant in the first place.
If someone raped you... you would look that child in the eye every morning and deal with the fact that they were because of rape! "mommy who's my dad?" how do you explan "i got raped and that is why u r here" to a child!
me
if a person got raped and didnt want the kid they could put the child up for adoption
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there are going to be too many children to adopt and not enough parents then...
me
there r plenty of people that cannot have children and would be glad to adopt. not that many people get raped and become pregnant. most people that get raped probably do not get pregnant.
okay okay i am not trying to piss people off here. my point remains that off of my beliefs and my view point abortion is murder, im not saying your wrong or right everybody and im not saying its not a females choice... im just saying from how i view human life, i have put my beliefs behind the more life the better. no right or wrong answer just simply opinion.
SarahBeara said...
uk what...bull! Okay...then ur dealing with the guilt of the kid living without knwoing both parents, and most children when they get older search for their birth parents...so what happens when they ask their birth parents why they didn't want them? what then? it's guilt all over again!
Do u have any evidence supporting what u just said?
SarahBeara said...
BULL SHIT! there are many ppl that get raped and become pregnant...u really think the guy cares about condoms? u really think they care about the woman's safety? All they want is sex! S-E-X! they do not care!
Once again, show me proof of what u just said.
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yes but u do not know that their parents were raped and find statistical evidence on how many woment become pregnant after being raped!
niether do u so stop saying that u know how they feel
Well i really think i can
its murder plain and simple. it would be like killing a person that is mentally disabled because u dont want to deal with that. u dont have the right to take another life.
its not a person! its a ball oof cells!!!!!! its like picking at a scab!!!!!!
You are not killing a human being by having an abortion. During the first trimester it is a bunch of cells that you are killing... not that much different from say a disease. It should be left up to the women even if you think it is wrong because that is not what is really being debated here. Yes some people should be more responsible, but then an abortion is better than say leaving the child in a dumpster to die...
-Kris
umm are u the one that has the baby pop outta ur uterus? do you go through pregnancy pains? Do you have female problems all the time? NO I DON'T THINK SO! So if you really think you can tell a woman that abortion is wrong...THINK AGAIN!
I personally could see why someone would say it is wrong, but not why someone would say that a women should not have the choice of what to do with their own body.
-Kris
so if your mother really didnt want to have u when she became pregnant with u and she now had the option to change her decision and have an abortion instead of letting u live u would be fine with that? i mean its her choice she apparently has the right to deny u life.
womens body; womens choice
you wouldnt know! we are talking about a ball of cells not a fully developed functioning human
but that ball of cells will one day be a fully functioning human will it not
yes it will but not at the time of abortion so you cannot say that it is murdor nor can you tell a woman what to do with her own body
i mean its her choice she apparently has the right to deny u life.
It's a cluster of cells. It is not thinking per say. This cluster of cells does not eat, sleep, or run track.
-Kris
but that ball of cells will one day be a fully functioning human will it not
Not if you abort it...
-Kris
lol nor does it comprehend was is going to happen to it... the heart isnt even there i believe
Maybe in the second trimester it has a heart, but what importance is that?
-Kris
i think thats when it is considered by some to be an offical person... idk for sure... but you can get an abortion earlier than that anyway.
personally i believe that someone is alive from conception so to me it is murder
i think thats when it is considered by some to be an offical person... idk for sure... but you can get an abortion earlier than that anyway.
It is technically alive when the egg meets the sperm... and I'm sure most guys kill a shitload of sperm everyday :|.
well a newly born child cant comprehend what is happening to it either. if we dont like it we might as well kill them too.
personally i believe that someone is alive from conception so to me it is murder
Ok well I guess I "murder" everytime I masterbate.
-Kris
1. we didnt need the last part
2. it is only tecnically alive to the person whos opinion says it is
1. we didnt need the last part
If you're talking to me I am not trying to offend, rather put things in perspective.
-Kris
Ok well I guess I "murder" everytime I masterbate.
-Kris
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard because u r not creating life with only your sperm. u need and egg too. i dont think that u r asexual.
no i was talking to the other person....
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard because u r not creating life with only your sperm. u need and egg too. i dont think that u r asexual.
Are sperm not alive? That is what you seem to be saying about the sperm and egg combined. What difference does it really make? It is murder to kill a zygote... give me a break. So instead of aborting that zygote the person should instead leave the baby in a dumpster? Because realistically, that is what will happen.
-Kris
well anyway i think abortion is entirely wrong and if u want to kill your children when u r older i guess i cannot stop u
its called adoption. they dont have to leave the kid in a dumpster
but it is living cant u see this
once a person is concieved they r alive
they dont have to do anything! it is the parentsa choice... our opinion doesnt matter to them
its called adoption. they dont have to leave the kid in a dumpster
They don't have to, but they will. If they were irresponsible in the first place, what makes you think they will be responsible and put up the child for adoption?
-Kris
so they wont get arrested
so u think u CAN stop someone from getting 1? u both are right, its wrong to kill someone, but u cant kill something that isnt really living or is just a buncha cells
Technically it is alive, but then how important is that really? You can either punish the mother the son and the parents of the minors, or you can have an abortion and everyone wins. That is how I see it at least.
-Kris
so they wont get arrested
They weren't smart enough to use protection in the first place...
protection only protects so much... its nor fool proof
protection only protects so much... its nor fool proof
That wasn't my point really. And if the people do use protection and still have a baby, then I don't think it is our right to tell them to carry the baby.
-Kris
very true... becasue the choice should lay with the woman involved
Exactly, and there are too many hypothetical situations to this. Therefore I don't think it is my right to tell them they should not have the right to make this very important decision if it arises.
-Kris
I completely agree with you. Abortion is murder. Why can't others see that? Who gave you the right to decide whether someone has the right to live? You are not God! God has a purpose for every child that has ever been or ever will be aborted. Who are you to take away that purpose? You say you should be able to choose? Well, who are you to disagree with God? All you who have aborted a perfectly innocent human being, you have committed murder. And although it is acceptable here on earth, it is NOT acceptable in the eyes of God and you will be held accountable. I would hate to be you on judgment day. Oh and all you who believe in stem cell research...one question...how would you like to be brought into existence to be frozen and eventually cut up painfully? It's almost as cold hearted as abortion. Almost.
god forgives those who repent their wrong doings! And they dont feel anythin, they are dead already...
And lindsay makes some more ludicrous points. Way to go! Abortion is not murder. Why can't you see that? If killing a bunch of cells is murder then I just don't see it. What gives you the right to tell someone what to do with their fetus? And I don't believe all that religious stuff so bringing that into the picture is not going to convince me either way.
-Kris
I hate all the hypothetical stuff ie: what if you were the fetus and you were going to be aborted? How would you like it? Seriously... it's retarded.
-Kris
i believe this means there is nothing more to be said...especially if all we are going to do is say childish responses (not to offened anyone in any way)
I haven't seen anything childish yet, but a lot of the points people bring up are completely... IDK stupid would probably be the best word. To bed I go.
-Kris,
nice job jeffrey... have fun reading all the comments! night.
And also...all you above who have been saying that it's only a cluster of cells...well you're right. But let's be logical here. I'm a 19 year old college student who plays soccer and runs XC. You'd consider me a human right? It'd be wrong to kill me right? Well news flash...I'm just a cluster of cells too. Everything in our bodies is made up of cells. And I'm a bio/premed major so dont argue with me. You'll look ignorant when i'm through with you. So if it's wrong to kill me and I'm just a bunch of cells, why is it all right to kill a baby when they're just a bunch of cells as well? Logical answer...you all look dumb! It isn't ok. And you're contradicting yourselves. If you agree with abortion then you agree with all the murderers on death row. Murder is acceptable and just a choice. there is no right and wrong. Everything is relative. Bull!! Oh and by the way at just 12 weeks old a baby is completely developed in their mothers womb down to the tiniest toe. So if abortion is ok and the decision lies in the mothers hands, then it's ok if I decide to go murder your mother tomorrow. Because there is no difference between her and an aborted baby. Except age. If you want the facts from a completely unbiased source, let me know. Abortion is murder and I think we all agree that murder is wrong!! Oh and next time you're showering, think of all the cells you're losing. Does that make you any less human? NO!! All humans are just clusters of cells. Every organ, bone, even your hair is made of cells. So I guess since abortion is ok because they're only cells after all, than all the prisoners on death row for murder should be let off. Hey let's all go pickett for it? What do you mean you don't want them out? You said murdering clusters of cells is ok?? HAHA Contradiction after contradiction. And you mentioning it's better they're aborted than in a dumpster? And adoption is wrong and leads to hurt? One of my best friends was almost aborted but last minutely her mother changed her mind. She was adopted and you know what? She hates her life. She wishes everyday her mother had aborted her. YEA RIGHT!! She loves life. She's married now with 2 beautiful children. And you know what..she did try to contact her mom. And she finally found her. But she wasnt' angry with her. She thanks her mom for giving her the chance to live. She doesnt wonder why her mom didn't keep her. She knows it was hard for her. But she doesn't dwell on that. She concentrates on the fact that her mom was unselfish enough to think about her future instead of her own for once. And you know what? She's right. Abortion is the ultimate form of selfishness. You have No right to not give another human being the right to enjoy life..like you do..everyday. Just something to think about.
It's a woman's choice to decide whether to have an abortion or not. Im not saying that having an abortion is the right thing to do but what I am saying is that outlawing the right to choose to have an abortions all together is not what should be done. There are various situations and circumstances that justify an abortion and it's the woman's right to choose which decision to make.
lindsay you are brilliant. thats the first thing im going to say.
and for all of you who do not know this, abortion is not an issue in America so much as in one majorly huge country in the Far East. China. Did you know that if you develop an unauthorized child in the PROC (People's Republic of China) when you go to the hospital to have this baby delivered, they kill it while the mother is in labor. Once the mother starts pushing the baby out they stick a needle filled with neuro-toxins into the babys head and kill the baby in delivery. I don't know about the rest of you but the mere thought of such a process happening sickens me; but the oddest part about all of that, is that if the baby is allowed to breathe in air one time, then the doctors must let the baby live. Apparently the law is that once they breathe one time they are considered a living human being. What the hell is the matter with the world in that picture?? And one other thing, instead of thinking about this as what every other person does, or has the right to do why don't you make this a personal thought and ask yourself "What if my parents hadn't wanted me, and they had chosen to have an abortion". While you wouldn't care because you wouldn't be here I'm pretty sure that now that each and every one of you are here with a life you wouldn't want to give that up. your hopes, your dreams, your loves, your hobbies, would you want to give all those up?? Of course not!!! So why do we take those away from people??
Lindsay, you can not say you will make me look ignroant in an opinionated argument. A degree in bio-whatever does not make you smart outside of school. There is a difference between a human being who can run track, eat, sleep, and have babies and a few cells that is not that much different from a disease or bacteria (obviously a disease is not alive per say but you get the point). If you agree with abortion you agree with murderers on death row? You just brought up the most ludicrous point yet, when I didn't think you could be more ridiculous. Then you go and talk about abortion during the third trimester, which I too believe is wrong (notice I never said abortion is right, I just think it should be the choice of the mother). I am not the one contradicting myself. You are the one saying that murdering a completely functional human being (my mom) and killing a small group of cells that can not carry out any human like process is the same thing. Also the situation that you brought up was a good one. Not all of them are like that. Not everytime does the mother have parents with enough money to raise the kid and sometimes the adoption agency will not take them. Also not every adoption place is "friendly" and the kids sometimes get raped or beaten there. I would rather be aborted than raped or beaten, but then its never a decision I had to make and it wasn't for you either, so you saying you would make that decision when you are not in that situation is hypocritical.
And I'm a bio/premed major so dont argue with me.
That has nothing to do with an opinionated argument.
-Kris
ask yourself "What if my parents hadn't wanted me, and they had chosen to have an abortion"
Then I would not be here right now and I wouldn't know the difference... You can't really think from that perspective because you are alive now. And I the whole China thing was true, but China is a pretty weird place and they have weird customs (at least to me they are wierd) and laws so I am not going to argue that. Obviously their method of abortion is different from ours though and there is more than one way to have an abortion.
-kris
I'm obviously so far behind...but here's my view:
I would never personally have an abortion unless in an extreme case (ie: i will die and leave behind other kids, or something sad like that). I wouldn't really ever encourage abortion, either, however, I don't feel that it should be illegal. If someone else wants to do that, I don't feel that it's my business to stop them, or hold it against them. If abortion became illegal again, that wouldn't stop people from doing it. That would be the return of "back-alley" abortions, which are very, very dangerous. You may say someone doesn't have to throw their kid in a dumpster, but people do, and that's a reality. If abortions have to be, which they most likely always will be, legal or not, I'd rather they were conducted safely.
I-lean brought up a good point which I was also thinking about bringing up with illegal abortions. Also abortion homes would have their hands full and there would be a lot more babies left in dumpsters (which I am well aware is not their only option but it probably the more likely outcome). I will comment more when I get back from the brat fry (at the farmer's market near ace hardware and big lots brats are like $2 and soda is 50 cents I believe).
-Kris
What if after they were raped they find out that if they have the baby there will be a problem and they might not live, or will suffer very much. Then not only do they not want to have it, they will also suffer or could even die if going through with the pregnancy. It should be the girls decision and hers alone.
and abortion homes was a typo and I meant adoption places.
Lindsey I have one question, you say you play soccer and run track and all that stuff. You wouldn't be able to do that if you had a baby. Even if you put it up for adoption after, you would still have to recover from it. Unless your very lucky and recover quickly, you will be out of sports for a while. Also while the baby in in your womb school will be harder and there will be a lot more going on, I don't even know because I haven't and will never (because I'm a guy) have a baby. It should be the girls decision and hers alone.
Alright. I have read all of the comments above and have taken them all in consideration to my opinion. Now, remember, I respect all of your opinions totally, so please respect mine.
I have always been stuck on the abortion being right or not ever since someone posed this question to me, “Is rape right in a scenario where a daughter is raped by her father, and the baby would have extreme complications, maybe resulting in death, and the mother’s life would be very highly placed on the line?” See. That’s where I’m like, “Wow. I don’t know.” But I also know that something happening like that is not very likely, and if it would happen…not very often. I’m sorry. I just DO NOT agree with abortion. Maybe there are exceptions, but you see…there will ALWAYS be exceptions. I know there will be people commenting back being all “it’s the mother’s choice!” but it’s really not. I don’t think any person on this earth has the right to deny someone else the right to live, and this is called murder. God is the only one that can choose.
“And I just want to say being alive and living a poor life is better then not being alive and living no life.” To this, I say Amen! If you’ve ever been to a poorer country, or heard stories about it…people with no money are so full of life. They aren’t so wrapped up in possessions but being alive and free.
“How does a guy have such a strong opinion on abortion when he isn’t the one getting pregnant?” One, men help create children. Two, everyone can have an opinion about anything. You might not be the one fighting in a war, but you have an opinion about it, right? Don’t say that is irrelevant. It’s the exact same thing. Just because the girl is the one going through the pain, that doesn’t mean the man isn’t affected by her choice of abortion or not.
To the people who are all “the pain of pregnancy” and “female problems”; I’m sorry, but I would love to tell you to suck it up. Stomach cramps are really not that bad. I think a lot of women have problems with their monthly thing, but you know it’s nothing compared to the horror of going through another day of chemotherapy and radiation for leukemia. Pregnancy may be painful, but it’s a risk you take to bring a child onto this Earth…and if you ask any mother, they say they would do it again in a heartbeat, because it’s worth everything.
“You never tell someone what to do. That’s wrong.” Hmm…I sense…hypocritical in this statement…?
Like Lindsay, a lot of children that are adopted are very, very happy and love life. And even though sometimes it’s a struggle wondering why your birth parents didn’t want you, you also know that EVERYTHING happens for a reason.
“It’s not a person! It’s a ball of cells!!!!!! It’s like picking at a scab!!!!!” I’m sorry, but this disgusts me. You were once a ball of cells, you are still a ball of cells. Just a much larger one. Like Lindsay said, it’s alive. OHHHH! And by the way, if you can KILL IT, then it has to be alive, right?
But the one craziest remark I have heard is this… “It is only technically alive to the person who’s opinion says it is.” … WHAT? Okay, so you are saying, I get to pick if it’s alive if it’s in my body? That makes no sense!! And she gets to pick when it’s alive if it’s in her body? No…God is the one who decides this. You are all saying it’s okay for humans to decide when they are alive, when you can kill them or not. I do NOT agree with that. God brought every single person into this world for a reason, and we are now becoming a world where people decide when they should leave the world.
I know I won’t change any one of your minds, which is not my point here. So don’t yell at me, please. I’m just stating my opinion, and telling you how I feel. I don’t understand when this all had to start, this abortion thing, but it was wrong right from the beginning. I don’t care if it’s a ball of cells in the beginning, because one day it will grow into exactly someone like you, who’s breathing and full of life and happiness and has dreams and hopes.
So to end, I want to tell you that one time my mom read this book about this woman who was aborted, but lived through it. She WAS NOT upset at her mom for giving her up for adoption after the abortion didn’t work, but that her mom aborted her. Imagine a horrible thing to live through, and knowing your mom wanted to kill you…
Let’s break Lindsay down line by line.
“You'd consider me a human right? It'd be wrong to kill me right? Well news flash...I'm just a cluster of cells too.”
So every time you scrape your knee playing soccer and you start to bleed, your killing cells. Since clumps of cells are all the same in your eyes (ranging from a blastocyst to a full grown human), your committing murder. And you say we contradict ourselves…
“And I'm a bio/premed major so dont argue with me.”
You’re so arrogant as to write in a blog full of wide ranging opinions and tell others not to argue with you. Apparently your to ignorant to realize that this is the entire point of Jeffrey’s blog. I thought you said you were intelligent.
“If you agree with abortion then you agree with all the murderers on death row.”
Hmmm, let us see here. Jeffrey Dahmer, who committed numerous murders of gay men, and any recent human who terminated a pregnancy because they felt it was a necessary choice are interchangeable to you. -_- That’s absurd.
“Oh and by the way at just 12 weeks old a baby is completely developed in their mother’s womb down to the tiniest toe.”
Then why don’t the majority of babies born at this period survive. Why don’t we just have 12 week pregnancies then, forget the last 28 weeks. If they were fully developed they would be able to survive, and they (99% of the time) cannot. Your contradictions continue.
“If you want the facts from a completely unbiased source, let me know.”
I hope you don’t consider yourself unbiased because you are the most biased person yet.
“Oh and next time you're showering, think of all the cells you're losing. Does that make you any less human? NO!!”
You just totally belied your statement of, “So if it's wrong to kill me and I'm just a bunch of cells, why is it all right to kill a baby when they're just a bunch of cells as well?” So, all living cells can’t be touched because it’s murder, to you. You rip up grass with your soccer cleats your killing grass. It’s a cell; it must be murder. You pick a piece of fruit and eat it; you killed a ripened ovary and the seeds inside that could one day be life, murderer. “And you're contradicting yourselves.” Think about what you wrote.
“One of my best friends was almost aborted but last minutely her mother changed her mind. She was adopted and you know what? She hates her life. She wishes everyday her mother had aborted her. YEA RIGHT!! She loves life.”
So you are saying that every kid given a chance to live loves their life? A kid adopted into an awful life (in a fictional sense) loves life. They love living off food stamps. They love being tired and hungry in every single minute of their day. They love not being able to have many friends because they don’t have as near as many opportunities as any other regular child. Everyday is a struggle for survival. Who are you to say they love their life? Don’t kid yourself.
That’s all,
-Matt Solverson
"God brought every single person into this world for a reason, and we are now becoming a world where people decide when they should leave the world."
If God brings people into life for a reason, then i think he gives us the power to choose not to bring one into life for a reason as well.
anonymous you are quite smart. i have to say your feelings and what you wrote really makes me respect you as a person. you don't put anyone down but you do present your points respectably. thank you for commenting.
that anonymous i mean is the one who left their opinions way up there. the one who actually argued the point without trying to change someone elses mind. and yes matt you are exactly right i created this for controversy, although i didn't expect this much this soon.
this one i mean
Alright. I have read all of the comments above and have taken them all in consideration to my opinion. Now, remember, I respect all of your opinions totally, so please respect mine.
If you’ve ever been to a poorer country, or heard stories about it…people with no money are so full of life.
Dumbest thing ever written. Way to generalize the poor people off of a few happy ones.
To the people who are all “the pain of pregnancy” and “female problems”; I’m sorry, but I would love to tell you to suck it up. Stomach cramps are really not that bad. I think a lot of women have problems with their monthly thing, but you know it’s nothing compared to the horror of going through another day of chemotherapy and radiation for leukemia. Pregnancy may be painful, but it’s a risk you take to bring a child onto this Earth…and if you ask any mother, they say they would do it again in a heartbeat, because it’s worth everything.
You ever hear of stuffing a watermelon through a toiletpaper tube? You go through labor and tell me how "wonderful" it feels.
Why does unclefluffy think everyone that agrees with him is smart when they make completely asinine points?
And I'm a bio/premed major so dont argue with me. You'll look ignorant when i'm through with you.
LOLZZZZ FUNNAY!!!
seriously she cracks me up. Could she be any more of a moron?
ahh saying asinine is really cool. makes you sound more intelligent and i think they are smart because they raised up good points. lindsay raised up good points, you may not like that she pointed fingers but her points were good. the anonymous person who you insulted (by the way she was a female ass hole!! she will know what labor is like) didn't point out any blame, really just raised their opinion with fact. maybe you should stop insulting people and actually read what they are saying.
anonymous: I really don't appreciate you calling me a moron for having opinions and beliefs on this matter. You have opinions which I don't agree with but I'm not calling you a moron. Being ignorant and being a moron are completely different traits. Being ignorant is knowing the truth or having the ability to know it, but deciding to argue a completely asinine point and believe it. You talk about pregnancy pains but I have yet to meet one mother who doesn't think it's worth it. Oh and by the way..there's this amazing new invention. Maybe you've heard of it...drugs. An epidermal is the answer to all you who are scared of pain. You who mentioned me not being able to get right back to playing my sports? Not true!! If you take care of yourself throughout the pregnancy and eat right and exercise, you'll be right back to normal activities. After all, qualified doctors state women only need to be in the hospital a day after before they're back to routine. Except in extreme cases. Hmm...those same docotors say it takes longer to overcome an abortion. Both on the physical and emotional level. Abortion scars you for life and in some cases makes it impossible to have children in the future. Why risk that? This goes back to the age old sex question. When's the right time? Well...the right time is when you're mature enough to think about the consequences. And obviously if you're having an abortion, you didn't consider pregnancy as a consequence. And with so many different forms of birth control, it is virtually impossible to claim you didn't know. If you're considering sex...consider the consequences as well. And live up to them. Every choice has a consequence, both good and bad. Be mature enough to realize that because if you're not you're not ready. The rape question...this is a harder topic. Obviously rape is an unplanned situation. And I hate to say this but it's true. A lot of times you set yourself up for it. Going to clubs, drinking, being alone with a guy, all choices you made. In those circumstances rape is a consequence of a decision you made. Now I know there are other situations. Children being raped by family. Being raped by people you trusted. I'm not moronic enough to not realize this. But still even in situations such as these, the child deserves a chance to live. And aborting it because it brings you pain to remember is selfish. Aborting it because you might die is also selfish. Even aborting it because the baby might be born with special needs is not a justified reason. Do you know how many times doctors have said a baby will be born that way and the baby comes out prefectly healthy? Too many times to base your statistics upon it. Even girls who think abortion is their only option, do you know how many times they don't realize how many other optins there were? Do you how many girls have abortions and end up regretting it? Almost all of them!! My church has a program called life saver ministries in which I work. I get calls everyday from girls considering abortions or who have even had them. They call in tears about the unborn baby they killed. It is a choice they will live with forever, one which will never leave them. Guys...I can't change your mind, but at least consider how many of the scenarios you're using have been discounted in real life. I'm not trying to change your minds. I know what I believe on the matter and I know what I believe to be true. I'm sure most of you here have not been pregnant therefore not being able to have an abortion. Go talk to someone who has. See what they have to say. Nobody has a better first hand knowledge than them. I have talked to girls who've had abortions. And while I have come across a few who don't care, most of these girls are broken at what they've done. I've talked to girls who can no longer have children as a result of an abortion. I've talked to girls who contracted a disease from an abortion. I've talked to girls who have seen their baby just thrown in a bag and thrown away. We're throwing humans away. Our future. I've talked to girls about the pain of an abortion. I'vev talked to girls who've experienced both pregnancy and abortion. They all agree completely that the abortion was the more painful of the two. So you're argument about pain of pregnancy is out the window. And about adoption agencies. Of course there are bad ones. There is a bad one of everything. Schools, Churches, Friends, Boyfriends/Girlfriends. You can't be lax about it. You can't be lazy. You have to look for a good one. And about your argument of kids not wanting to live poorly. I've been to several countries. Romania, China, Thailand, Ecuador, Mexico, Africa. I have met the poorest people you can imagine. These kids don't have shoes. They don't have clothes. They're not even guaranteed food everyday. But you know what, unlike kids in America who are selfish and spoiled, these kids are always smiling. They're thankful for what they have, no matter how little. I've asked these kids if they'd rather be dead. What do you think they said? They said of course not. You say people live poorly in America and no kid should live that way. Americans are not poor. They have food. They have clothes. They have houses. They have everything they need to survive. But because of our American mindset those people are poor. Kids just want to live. They don't care about the level of wealth they have. Not until they're older. Not until they become accostumed to the American way of living. And most of the people who live that way, they choose it. Once again it's a choice you make. Everyone in this country can have a job. People just don't want to lower themselves to work at McDonalds so instead they become unemployeed. You know I can't think of any country I'd rather be poor in than America. Abortion is wrong. It is murder, no matter how you look at it.
I can't believe anyone can write so much, yet say so little.
You ever hear of stuffing a watermelon through a toiletpaper tube? You go through labor and tell me how "wonderful" it feels.
There is a difference between a toilet paper tube and a womans uterus. One was made for a baby to pass through and one wasn't. There's also a difference between a watermelon and a baby. Besides one being a human and one being a fruit, they baby is able to conform to fit through the uterus. Have you ever seen a pregnancy? I have. And it is truly a miracle. And it is nothing like a watermelon being pushed through a toilet paper tube. I think you're example is asinie and could use some modifications. Good try though.
Thank you, so much.
And maybe if you actually read what I wrote you'd see what I wrote. There's plenty there. Maybe you're small closed brain is just too small to comprehend it. If that's the case here let me make it more simple...Kids want to live. You're arguments are flying out the door and you're beginning to look like an immature closed minded person who can't even debate so instead you insult.
She's exactly right, you know.
And I'm a bio/premed major so dont argue with me.
That has nothing to do with an opinionated argument.
-Kris
Umm...it actually has everything to do with it because it shows that I happen to have evidence and knowledge to base my opinions on whereas you base yours entirely on women's rights. You're not even a woman so give it up already.
You are the one saying that murdering a completely functional human being (my mom) and killing a small group of cells that can not carry out any human like process is the same thing.
This "group of cells" as you so fondly call this baby does in fact do human like processes. It eats, drinks, thinks, kicks, moves, and its heart beats. But you're right. No human like processes at all. Oh and by the way...I never mentioned the third trimester. Where'd you get that from? That's a whole other ball park.
Me not being a women has everything to do with having an opinion on abortion... just like you having a med degree does not make you more knowledgeable in arguing. I am not going to shoot people, does that mean I can't be against shooting people. Your logic is telling me that. Having a med degree has nothing to do with an opinionated argument. Yes you have facts, but they are not helping your argument. All your arguments are completely incoherent and get way off topic. You say abortion is murder... yet you say use contraceptives, who is contradicting now? The morning after pill is murder according to you and abortion is as bad as being a serial killer. You use no logic to argue, just facts and past experiences that don't help your argument in any way. You then go on to say things like "it is selfish to think of yourself if you are going to die in child labor". Can anyone say hypocrite? You then say people set themselves up to be raped. If going to a bar is setting yourself up to be raped, then going to a grocery store is setting yourself up to be taken hostage by terrorists... it is not likely, but by your logic you are setting yourself up when in reality bad things happen and there is nothing you can do about them unless you want to be paranoid. Like I am not a women who is going to have to go through this, you are not pregnant and having to make these tough decisions. You say things like "all the kids who are poor are smiling"... no they aren't. You make completely preposterous statements, but you know more than me because you are trying to attain a med degree. I don't know anyone who can write 500 characters worth of info, and say absolutely nothing. You just ramble on and go nowhere with it. You also bring religion into this everytime. I don't practice any religion really and I see it as a bunch of made up stuff to give us a code of morals to live by. I don't think god has a purpose for the child, I think I was born through my mom's uterus and now I can do whatever I want with my life, for good or bad, it is up to me and that is how abortion should be.
This "group of cells" as you so fondly call this baby does in fact do human like processes. It eats, drinks, thinks, kicks, moves, and its heart beats. But you're right. No human like processes at all. Oh and by the way...I never mentioned the third trimester. Where'd you get that from? That's a whole other ball park.
I am talking earlier when it is just an egg and sperm combined. Do you murder an egg evrytime you have your period? Is masterbation murder? The two of them combined does not make it a human in my eyes and therefore it is not murder.
lindsay i don't know who you are... and really i don't think it matters that much, but thank you so much for sharing your opinions and your knowledge. for that matter thank you to everyone else as well. really there is no wrong nor right answer since this is your opinion, and thus its fair to let you have it. It wouldn't be much of a topic if all of you didn't have opinions with which to share.
And my grammar was pretty sub-par in the longer comment... sorry about that.
my arguments are not incoherent. they are based on fact and opinion. your arguments however are full to the brim with insults. i don't even know what point you are trying to get across except for i'm a moron and my beliefs in God are made up. i don't appreciate that last comment. it is yet another insult to me and my God. you might not believe in God and that's your right and loss. i don't know how you make it through the day without Him. you have no evidence that my God is mythical and made up so we'll obtain certain morals. and until you do, which by the way you never will, i'd apprciate it if you'd back off. there's nothing i feel more strongly about than the existence of my God. and i don't appreciate you undermining His existence. you have no proof He doesn't exist but I have proof He does. and hopefully one day He'll get a hold of your heart and not let go. till then you're in my prayers. and by the way...just because you can't see Him doesn't mean He isn't there. I can't see you but I know you're there. what's the difference?
God Bless your heart.
In no way am I trying to insult you. I just shared what I thought about god, I wasn't calling you gullible for believing in one. I never called you a moron either, I just said your points were preposterous. If you can't understand what I am saying go back to first grade. You can relearn reading and comprehension. I do not need a god to get through everyday, and I never said I don't believe in god. I can undermine his existance if I feel the need to. It is not your place to tell me what to believe. This is not Nazi Germany. And don't kid yourself, there is no proof he exists and there is no proof he doesn't, which is why it is 50/50 and people either believe or don't. It is not the wrong decision to believe or not believe in him because if you believe what you are doing is right, then it is (to you at least). Just because I can't see him doesn't mean he is there? Just because a book says he is there doesn't mean he is there either.
Sorry for going off-topic jeffrey.
"All they want is sex! S-E-X! they do not care!"
YEA YEA YEA!
-you
Holy Jesus Christ! This is an opinion blog, not a place of arguement. Can't you guys all just put down your opinions and leave it at that. Why get all over each other? No one is going to change anyone's mind! That's how it's going to be, so let people give their idea, and leave it at that!
I agree with i-lean. I will admit it was partly my fault.
ahh eileen this is not an opinion blog. This is just as much a debatable blog as an opinion blog. please note that when i typed this post up i put down....
topic :abortions. reasons: its just debatable.
i want people to debate, even if you don't change someone elses mind the fact that you have an opinion and are willing to back it up makes it worthy of trying.
holy shit jeffrey i think u started a damn war over this
i think that i can't even find where the last comment is because there are so many comments my scrollie bar won't scroll down anymore.
haha lol wow yeah way 2 many comments on here. come on ppl settle down
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright, well i can't say that i totally agree with u on this one. I do think that it is personally wrong if it is just because, but if a women is raped, there is no reason in my mind y she should have to go through all that pain to give it up and be known as a bad mother and be hated by a person who doesn't even know her, her own child. Also, if they have some sort of deformity that would only cause them a live full of pain and the birth could kill the mother, i don't see y two lives should have to be miserable! I have other cases, so i guess i think the process should only be done in extreme measures. I know u don't agree with this, but i guess we will have to agree to disagree! Hillary
I don't get why Kyle Higgins is like "setl down el oh el 2 manee comenntz!!!!1111111 Shift111111111"
A lot of people left their opinion. What is wrong with that?
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