Saturday, July 02, 2005

War!! what is it good for?? Absolutely nothing!! (Well i Disagree)









Before I start this post I am just going to state that coming into this idea I knew it could spark controversy and I know that very likely people won't like what I say, nor will they agree with it, but I am not asking that you do any of that, I am just going to propose the facts that I looked up, and I am using those along with my utmost knowledge to try and paint a picture for everyone that the media often overlooks in its overzealousness of the politics of war.
Yesterday I took a poll of 20 people and asked them a simple question of if they think war is necessary(note not meaning its a trivial task, just that war can be something required for society to move on). The results were as follows:
70% thought war is a necessary facit of society
30% believe war is not necessary in any means

Okay now that I have posted what others believe I think its only fair and correctly right of me to publish what I feel on war. If you don't agree with how I feel, comment on it, for I wanted to create this post in order to see how my fellow teens feel on this issue, because the way this world is going war will become a more common occurence throughout our times.

My feelings on war are that it is more then a necessary part of society. I honestly believe that in order for man to move on and become better as a whole, war must happen. I don't believe war should be taken or thought of lightly, for the consumption of man and material alike is horrific, but without war there may never truly be peace. But more on the point of my feelings is how I feel war progresses society along as a whole, technologically, economistically, and diplomatically. The way of technology is by far the most drastically touched part of war and society. Whenever you hear the sirens of an ambulance you owe that to the Union Soldiers of the Civil War who invented the first ambulance to ferry soldiers off the battlefield to a medical station. A horse drawn buggy with a first aid symbol has now become a massive life saving vehicle in our time. Ever use a GPS system? GPS was created for use in smart bombs and motorized infantry in order to coordinate efforts and eliminate the usage of land based navigation. The system which is highly efficient in the military has also improved travel among ordinary civilian lifestyle. The food market has benefited highly from war as well. In WWII the Japanese created the first biological weapon of mass destruction. Designed to spread throughout a population and utterly infect anyone within hundreds of miles, they are quite efficient killers. But those same biological weapons are tampered with and then used on our farmers fields to kill off masses of bugs and insects which would eat through all of the crops. The pesticides are generally harmless to humans before you worry. The greatest technological advancement to come from war is also from WWII and the benefits to our society from this one technology are too numerous to list. This also came from the Axis side, and was used as a massive weapon of terror and mass destruction. The V2 rocket. Launched from France it could be aimed at London and would detonate in the city with little to no warning and killed thousands. After the war the United States took the German engineers and brought them here to work on our space program. An advanced version of the V2 Rocket carried the first Americans into space and carried Neal Armstrong to the moon. All rockets that are currently used to shuttle things into space are possible due to the German weapon of terror. Advancements in our society are largely due to the research that may only be done in space. Cancer treatments, power tools, automated cooling engines, more efficient growing methods. All of this is courtesy of space based research.
Economically everyone knows about the Great Depression which rocked the world in the 1930's one of the greatest factors in Hitlers being able to take over German and possibly one of the largest sparks to World War II it was also solved by the war itself. The American and other nations factories had to start producing war materials which drove the economy to a massive boom. No other event could have ended the Great Depression so soon.
A factor that almost no American can deny a benefit of is energy. The most efficient form of energy while also being the best power producing system is nuclear energy. Say whatever you wish about nuclear weapons, atomic energy is the safest and most efficient energy source known to man.
On the picture I have above I do want to say one point though, the bomb being dropped from the stealth bomber cost about 2 million dollars, thats one bomb. Each of those machines of war up above cost millions, some even billions of dollars to create and maintain. The cost in dollars of war may be better spent on peace and disease research, but millions of jobs in this country are created to use and maintain and create these war machines, and the strength of our economy utterly depends on our military spending.
I am not saying to anyone that war is something that we should always have, peace is the ultimate goal to war, at least that is the American directive. Bad men will always exist in this world, and sometimes war is the only way to stop the agendas of these sad souls. War on the whole though is and i shall always feel this way a necessary aspect to our society. Its not just necessary its something that man must embrace and accept if we are ever to move forward.

"The fear we must fear most is the indifference of good men"

War is an ineveitablilty... peace is an impossibility... the only guarantee is that there are brave men out there who will fight the ineveitable in order to achieve the impossible.





95 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

its really long. ill reead it soon, but it might take a while

7/02/2005 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sarah you raise some good points.

7/03/2005 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But on the one point where you asked me if i think society would have advanced so far without war my answer is no. I don't think many of societies advanced would come without first being needed on the battlefield. But that is an almost impossibilty to prove, so its only my theory.

7/03/2005 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Jeffrey this stupid nonsense needs to stop. The whole blocking me and then unblocking me to say one thing to me and then blocking me again, it's dumb. What are you, 8 years old again? If this is what this has come down to then don't even bother with that, okay? because I don't need it. If you are going to be childish then you might as well keep yourself out of my life 100%.

7/04/2005 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, ur harsh *kell*belle*! anyways, um, i agree, i just am slow. u think too deeply, and it takes a while for me to understand what u r talking about, lol. anyways, i think war will always be wih us, if we like it or not. it really depends on the situation if it is goo dor not, but alot of times it is for a worthy cause.

7/04/2005 11:37:00 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

I wasn't talking about the post on war.

7/04/2005 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kelly i will happily keep myself 100% out of your life, because I want no part in it. your life has gone a direction I would never choose nor respect, so I'm sorry but I made my choice.

7/04/2005 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

No need to be sorry, we all make mistakes and we all have our ways of fixing them. Too bad it had to end this way.

7/04/2005 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger I-lean said...

Keep your damn fights off of this commenting!

Anyway...I don't really feel like giving my detailed opinion on this post because that is just too long. But here are a few things.

--That's the dumbest poll I've ever seen. You can't get an accurate opinion of the population with twenty of your friends.

--You really did nothing to defend war itself, you only talked about technilogical advances that sprung from military actions. There's no one to say these wouldn't have come about without war.

--Nuclear energy, though highly efficient, is NOT the safest form of energy. If it were, there wouldn't be a law that banned the building of any more nuclear power plants. This came about after the near meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979 and the partial meltdown in the Ukraine. The latter caused fatalities and radiation sickness. It's a good way to create energy, but it is so incredibly dangerous. Radiation released into the environment is harmful to animals, plants, and humans, causing cancer and birth defects.

So yeah that was longer than I'd thought but oh well. Just a few things.

7/04/2005 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no one is perfect. It was a long but interesting post. We need to lighten up, we are just teens. Never lose hope, for when we lose hope we lose everything. Happy 4th! God Bless America! Land of the free and home of the brave!!!

7/04/2005 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger I-lean said...

I agree with sarah! On both parts! I love when people let out their opinions for debate. It's always fun hearing both sides of the controversy.

7/05/2005 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eileen I wanted to poll more people but there were not that many people around so it was difficult. And I didn't want to wait to post this thing any longer, I spent a full day thinking about exactly what I wanted to say, and I am not satisfied with the way I necessarily said it, but it came out all right. And I appreciate the fact that at least some people put their opinions on here like sarah and eileen. Thank you. Others it would be greatly appreciated.

7/05/2005 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

y do people go anonymous its just annoying and stupid!Ö

7/05/2005 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this reminds me of the story of the one winged tree that fell and couldnt fly... 1. because it was a tree. and 2. because it had one wing.

7/05/2005 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i don't even know what to say to those comments anonymous. honestly i feel stupider for reading them. Heck see i can't even use proper english anymore. Im sorry but thats juts plain off your rocker wacko.

7/05/2005 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes jeffrey i concure the poor tree never saw it coming... it... it didnt have a chance :(

7/05/2005 09:34:00 PM  
Blogger I-lean said...

I'm pretty sure you could eat cereal with a fork if you wanted to.

7/06/2005 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

excuse me but i eat bananas for breakfast not cereal :)

7/06/2005 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found a quote this morning in a special forces story, i felt it matches pretty good to what im trying to say but apparently have completely failed to state in any humane pattern. im sorry about that, but its hard to put into words how i feel. "The traditional function of wars is to change an existing state of affairs." Now doesn't that put into words everything about war. Simply put that statement summed up my entire 40 page article, i am pissed that i just found this quote now and not 4 days ago.

7/06/2005 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

first of all kelly, the comment is supposed to be something on the post and what u wrote was totally irrelevant, had nothing to do with the blog. Second of all, do not go into Sarah's blog just to try to explain yourself. Ask me what i think of the post...i love it. War is a necesity...without war...everything would just be an anarchy, nobody would control anyone, the world would be chaos with terrorists striking everywhere, that is not war, that is cowardice

7/06/2005 07:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

by the way...andy...nice job on covering up on your anonymous thing lol

7/06/2005 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger I-lean said...

um, clearly, lauren, i don't drink my milk anyway, and in the event that i would ever feel so compelled as to drink that disgusting, sugar-logged milk, i would drink it right out of the bowl, not with a spoon as if it were soup.

And Jeffrey, this is record breaking. I am proud of you.

7/07/2005 06:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

um *blush* how is this record breaking? seriously like 6 comments were irrelevatnly from kelly or to kelly.

7/07/2005 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that is disgusting lauren and eileen just downright disgusting... I don't even drink the milk, i just put it down the drain, its disgusting. I know that may seem like a waste, but i have cereal about once every 2 months. Still drinking it straight from the bowl, after having all the other stuff in it, you might as well drink rat poison. :<

7/07/2005 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its a peaceful protest more like... unless we start having milk balloon wars. That might get nasty though, the fallout could be deadly. :)

7/07/2005 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

comment deleted

7/07/2005 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im trying to get u 40 comments here jeffrey

7/07/2005 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

o and i like cereal, eat it with a spoon, and i drink the milk afterwards

7/07/2005 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how can you drink the cereal after it has sat there for like 20 minutes? I mean its gross.

7/07/2005 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no u dont understand u poor the milk into the cereal and then u eat it and after u eat it u drink the remaining milk it tastes the same!

7/07/2005 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lool

7/07/2005 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we r done with aim for now the new conversation shall take place right here right now

7/07/2005 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no it doesn't taste the same, it tastes like the remnants of bad soggy cereal. Its the worst taste alive, I hate it.

7/07/2005 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aim is a useless piece, all it ever does is disconnect itself anyway, pwn AIM.

7/07/2005 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe u just take too long to eat ur cereal so then it gets all warm and icky haha

7/07/2005 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PWNED, DOUBLE PWNERED, TRIPLE PWNAGED, PWNTACULAR ON AIM!

7/07/2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ya my last message was useless

7/07/2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

actually thats a possibility... i do bring a book with me whenever i eat breakfast so i have been known to sit there for about 10 minutes with the cereal about 2 inches from my mouth without ever touching it lol. Look as retarded as steiner running.

7/07/2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay question time... What would happen if someone dived into the Milwaukee River down near the Gazebo in Veterans Park?? would they come out as a human being still?

7/07/2005 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hahaha well theres the problem i think that one time ...how about tomorrow... tomorrow u should eat ur cereal normally haha that way the milk will taste good afterwards

7/07/2005 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no ive seen it happen and he didnt come back out but a saw a strange creature come out down the river but it slipped back in

7/07/2005 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we must get to 100 comments!!!!!

7/07/2005 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that had to be too wookies of the river, i bet andy dove into the river, one day we were going to do that together after a run but it was cooling down and it would have been dumb anyway.

7/07/2005 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but back to this wierdness on milk... anyone ever realize that when you drink milk you are actually just drinking the liquid form of grass made white in cows intestines?? isn't that gross

7/07/2005 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes

7/07/2005 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

eileen do these comments count towards any type of record?

7/07/2005 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cause otherwise i still have only about 38 or so...

7/07/2005 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they count trust me they count

7/07/2005 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

comment deleted

7/07/2005 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeffrey that comment took me like an hour y did u delete it

7/07/2005 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

idk nick.. im sorry next time don't put in such stupid things!! gosh

7/07/2005 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wat r u talking about i put in actual facts on the whole cow thing that i found and it was like 10 paragraphs now its just 2 words!

7/07/2005 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with sarah, milk is not meant to be drunk or is it drank?? idk but its not meant to be consumed (ah ha) after eating or w/e cereal, they made orange juice for that folks :>0

7/07/2005 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

y did u interupt our conversation to tell us that Ö lool

7/07/2005 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u have no clue wat shes talking about do u? she didnt say not to drink it!

7/07/2005 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its drank i think

7/07/2005 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

huh??

7/07/2005 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ya i think its drank

7/07/2005 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes

7/07/2005 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.

7/07/2005 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nick the new pwn word i wish i could remember what it is!! its soo cool too- i wonder if its pwnish, or pwnfanacular, or pwnserker!!!

7/07/2005 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

or maybe pwntaczilpackatactacpacular

7/07/2005 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

squared :)

7/07/2005 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that was such a cool pwn word it sounds so awesome

7/07/2005 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeffrey has to go soon we must reach 100 it is our mission

7/07/2005 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just talk jeffrey say anythign

7/07/2005 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you have to say the word squared like 4 seconds after you say that longer then chinese fingernails pwn word. you have to!!

7/07/2005 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so... wats up?

7/07/2005 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wat u just said made no sense!

7/07/2005 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeffrey gets numero 100 cuz its his comments ;)

7/07/2005 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what are we at now?

7/07/2005 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

85

7/07/2005 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol your right it made no sense... it made dollars

7/07/2005 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that line was perhaps the corniest thing to ever come out of my mouth!! i think i need to get a life really badly.

7/07/2005 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

crap its hiding what we say not fair!!!

7/07/2005 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea!!! it stopped hiding my comments

7/07/2005 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i wonder what the record for the most comments is...

7/07/2005 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i kinda miss nick on here now, it won't let him comment anymore, how mean is blogger being?? what useless lazy piles of crap. go beat them down.

7/07/2005 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that would be interesting to know, don't you think?

7/07/2005 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have a cool life now, do you want to hear about it? no well too bad im telling it anyway.

7/07/2005 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm i wonder...hey hey hey we should check that out!

7/07/2005 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i run on cross country team, we rock, andy and i are like phenomenally bad, nick is the best runner we have, aman can run a 5 second 100 meter dash, lucas can roll down hills like no man alive, and the girls team headed up by abby won state last year isn't that amazing!!

7/07/2005 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol okay i lied, andy and i are probably the best two, but we will win state just you watch.

7/07/2005 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i ran about 6 miles yesterday in faster then human pace it was insane.

7/07/2005 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i like a female but its really a disaster because all her friends i have basically liked and im crying because this could kill me

7/07/2005 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ahh this is it folks, i have officially wasted 99 spaces of your worthless lives and now you shall reap the effects :)

7/07/2005 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha noobs!! number 100 i just pwned you blogging world thats right bow before the master, this is certainly the most number of times pwn has ever been mentioned anywhere other then in an intense CTF "mate" game

7/07/2005 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol everyone im sorry you had to suffer through that but in the end i think it was worth it for the entertainment value produced out of it, i seriously don't know if i have laughed so hard in a long time, nick lol lol lol.

7/07/2005 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger I-lean said...

Yes, records! And who cares if we're way off the topic, but to go back to the milk, since that's the last comment i made (yesterday, ironically). I agree with Jeffrey...I don't drink the milk cuz it is disgusting. I don't waste it, though, either because I barely put in any to begin with. I don't like soggy cereal. It just has to be wet. But drink it...yuck.

7/08/2005 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

see its nice to have eileen agree with me for once, like it actually makes me feel intelligent for once. When was it, was it english class that you ripped on me in front of the entire class!!!! man that was embarassing, and you did it 2 times nonetheless. meanie

7/13/2005 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why do old men tend to fall out of trees? this i shall find out! whos with me?!?!

7/22/2005 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what old man goes into a tree??? wow muy inteligente

7/23/2005 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeffrey i do say that one thing war is good for is the creation of jobs and advancement in economy. however the war in iraq has made our economy see lows that havent been reached since the 1980s. the war in iraq is simply about oil. this war cost 1 billion dollars a day! this money could be used to help many other people. war is only necessary when there is an actual threat to our nation. None of the 19 terrorists who took place in the attacks on 9/11 were Iraqi, however a greater half were saudis! so i ask u why do we not invade saudi arabia? because bush has an oil partnership with the saudi royal family.

7/24/2005 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that is a very good point. I never thought about those connections between Bush and the Saudis. However I do not entirely agree with what you said anonymous. For one thing, and this is very important, look at the amount of freedom Iraqis now have. Freedom from fear, freedom to vote, these things cannot be overlooked. And with what you said about 9/11 its impossible to say that in some way Iraq could not have been involved in the terrorists existence. They could have one time hidden in the country, or gained money through it. its impossible to say whether they ever gained from Iraq's existence as a renegade state.

7/24/2005 07:57:00 PM  
Blogger Kyle Higgins said...

war is never necessary. if the united states would leave countries alone and let them deal with there problems (cept for aids and poverty and that) we would not have wars

8/04/2005 10:50:00 AM  

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